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Avatar: Much ado about nothing

12/17/2009 | By Fernando Fonseca
Avatar: Much ado about nothing
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The much anticipated movie by James Cameron, “Avatar”,  opened last Thursday all over the world and the buzz  generated before the opening was immense. “Avatar” is, after all,  the first movie that Cameron directed after the much acclaimed “Titanic”, 12 years ago.

One thing is for sure: in 12 years Cameron spent his time involved  in lots of projects but none of those was in a training course called “How to write a good  script”.

Everything about this movie is a bad cliche in what comes to the script: bad guys are after precious  rocks, on some planet after destroying everything on planet Earth; one of them is sent to infiltrate one of the indigenous tribes; guy falls in love; guy turns against the humans that sent him in the first place; EXPLOSIONS; WAR; MASS KILLING;  indigenous win; humans get sent away from the planet; THE END.

To start with, the movie takes place in a planet called “Pandora“, where all living things are connected. If Cameron had attempted some research he would know, immediately,  that Pandora isn’t  really a good name for a planet: Pandora, according to the Greek mythology, was the first woman created by Zeus to punish Men and is described in Homer’s “Iliad” as a “beautiful evil“. You read that right, evil and no, that Homer is not Homer Simpson.

As for the story, “Avatar” has more plot holes than the body of an alien monster  after being shot by angry humans and science fiction fans are not too keen on plot holes: everything has to make sense (it’s not by accident that there are whole books dedicated to the physics of Star Trek). The first time you see an indigenous character you are led to believe that the species is highly sensitive to light (she puts out a burning stick and protects her eyes from the flames’ light before extinguishing it) but much to my surprise, on the next day, the sun shines and the same character is flying an alien bird (think a mix of Harry Potter’s Phoenix with Jurassic Park’s Pterodactyls). Actually the yellow color of the alien’s eyes would make it more sensitive to the sun light but, as with everything in this movie, nothing makes sense and little is explained.

But it doesn’t stop here: In a time and age where Lucky Luke had his famous cigarette removed from all the books, it is quite surprising to see Sigourney Weaver’s character speaking her first line: “Where in the hell is my cigarette?”  and the cigarette being put into her mouth by her laboratory assistant. The truth is that one would expect for that the cigarette to be denied to her , with some sort of message (“Those will kill you” for example), but no such thing. In fact, Sigourney Weaver spends most of the her time on the movie smoking and it doesn’t kill her;  A bullet does. If you think this is a spoiler don’t fret about it.  The average viewer will understand where the whole movie is heading 15m into it. Cameron is obviously not a smoker himself or he would know that cigarettes are made from a plant called tobacco and wrapped around paper that is made of wood. How cigarettes are still produced in a planet that has lost all of its vegetation (Earth), beats me.

On one hand you have this very eco-friendly message, a wink to the critics of  those that support the wars that the United States are involved in and,  on the other hand,  you have US 230 million  dollars in production costs alone. If you add to this number, the worldwide marketing costs,  you come close to US 500 million. Is it just me that thinks this is wrong? So much money spent in a movie? And for what? 161 minutes of empty plot, bad dialogues and a message that gets lost in itself.

So, am I saying you shouldn’t go and see it? Absolutely NOT!

“Avatar” is a stunning visual and sound experience. The Digital 3D is beyond anything I’ve ever experienced in a movie theater. As soon as you put the very fashionable,  á lá Andy Warhol,  3D glasses and you look to the screen you know you are in for a visual ride like never before: You have depth, focus blur, visual elements that you think you can grab if you just move your hand, the color palette of the movie is beautiful and amazing  and its a visual feast (but expect lots of neons) and, in some scenes,  you can almost feel you are inside of the movie. The truth is that “Real 3D” is taken to a whole new level with this movie and this is the only one reason not to miss it. Sound design is also stunning but this should not come as a surprise: after all we are talking about Christopher Boyes, the sound designer behind “Lord of the Rings”, “Pirates of the Caribbean” and “Million Dollar Baby” (among others).

The full use of Digital Dolby Surround’s modern techniques create a whole new dimension that, when put together with the visual experience make “Avatar” a  superb technical achievement.

Confused about this review? So am I.

I like movies that tell me a story, that make me think, movies that surprise me because the plot is so amazingly written and those that give shape to the character actually know how to act: “The Usual Suspects” or “Happiness” come immediately to my mind. Half an hour into “Avatar” and I was already nodding my head and I was already pretty bored: Visual and sound effects can surprise me in the first 30m but, after that, there must be more to it than just plants that open and close, colorful birds that fly right at you, golf balls that you think are going to hit you and bad jokes.

A movie is a way to tell a story and “Avatar” is nothing but a bunch of bad ideas badly sewn up together to support a technical wonder. I can only hope that James Cameron takes another 12 years before he directs another movie and, in the meanwhile, takes some time to learn how to write a script. 101 level would do him just fine.

What did YOU think about “Avatar”? Worth watching? Much ado about nothing? Let me know in the comments. And don’t miss Susan’s post on how to create that amazing avatar make up, right here.

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Author: Fernando Fonseca

Co-head of PublicSpaces, a company and netlabel based in Barcelona, Spain, Fernando is a serious Douglas Adams fan, cook, tech and gadget geek, strategist as well as an experimental musician. Lover of red wine , gin tonic, sushi, Monty Python and Karaoke, Fernando is involved in many new-media art related projects, (h)activism, and GoogleWave. Send him a tweet in klingon at @fjfonseca: you will make his day.


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spyvspyaeon

December 20th, 2009

I didnt’ saw the movie yet, but I assume there is some lacks on the script, I’ve heard some good reviews about the special fx’s and 3D engine (they say what a concept) but as far as I remember no one left a comment back about the main script, if the avatar storytelling it is well written or not. I’m still very very curious do see it (maybe it is the revolution on the 3d cinema, maybe not).

I just will assume that Jame don’t want to relate “Pandora“ name to the Greek mythology, after all it is just a name (bad choice, or not).

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Doubledown Tandino Reply:

This review is a piece of crap. The reviewer simply just does not get what makes a great monumental cinematic experience.

The reason many of us that have seen have decided to leave out plot points and speaking about the main script is because we don’t want to spoil it for anyone. But this reviewer doesn’t care.

Anyway, what this review failed to acknowledge is the point to the movie…. It’s not about being “eco-friendly” It’s much more, something massively beyond that. It contains metaphors of 9/11, a world fighting for oil, Bush and Cheney destroying races, the white man taking from the native american… and because I’m just a USA resident, I only felt the deep contextual symbolism from an American viewer’s eyes. This movie is international, for all humans. As I said in my own review of this movie, people may not realize it right away, but this is one of the most ground-breaking monumental films of our decade. It will be. take a look at my review if you’d like at http://djdoubledown.blogspot.com

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Fernando Fonseca Reply:

Doubledown Tandino: It is your opinion and everyone is entitled to his/hers. I might add that there is no need to be aggressive towards people that don’t share the same opinion as you do. For someone that cherishes so much individual freedom, as you you do, you should know better.

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Doubledown Tandino Reply:

You have your opinion, and I have mine. There’s no aggression intended. If you felt I came across that way, I apologize. You may have your opinion about this movie, but your write-up chooses the leave out facts in order to have your opinion.

Again, I mean no aggression or hostility towards your point of view, but when 95% of reviews about this movie are along the lines of “this is the most phenomenal important movie of the decade”, doesn’t it make you wonder where your point of view is coming from? Maybe you’ll want to go back and watch it again? Maybe your 3D glasses were broken?

Fernando Fonseca Reply:

You know, I am at the moment laughing in front of my screen. Do you really think I care about what others say about any movie?

I have my own opinion and that is the one that I wrote above. My point of view is coming from my own taste and movie culture: Kurosawa, Ford, Kar Wai Wong, Coppola, Almodovar among others.

I really don’t get what is so wrong about nothing like “Avatar”. So please, get over it and enjoy your Christmas.

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Catarina Campos

December 20th, 2009

Great review and on the target: very bad plot, amazing experience.

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Kevin, aka @Nomentionofkev

December 20th, 2009

Wow, yeah, completely disagree with your premise here.

Rather than write my own review, let me make this one point:
“…Pandora, according to the Greek mythology, was the first woman created by Zeus to punish Men and is described in Homer’s “Iliad” as a ‘beautiful evil’…”

I’m not sure how you can say it is a bad name for a planet, especially this one, unless you just haven’t thought this through or just want to jump on the ‘talk bad about the movie’ bandwagon. Either way, it is a nonsense statement.

Pandora is visually stunning, both as a movie and as the planet created for us on the screen. You concede this point. Everything is beautiful to human eyes.

Everything on the planet wants to kill you, right down to the planet itself, humans cannot breath the atmosphere. It is hell. It is evil.

Why you feel ‘beautiful evil’ doesn’t fit this planet is a puzzle to me.

I do agree with one thing here, everyone should see this movie.

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Fernando Fonseca Reply:

My premise is that this is a visual technical achievement with a bad script and bad acting to support it.

You fail to understand that humans are the ones that are going to the planet Pandora and want to kill and destroy everything and everyone that lives there, not the other way around.

The planet is beautiful. Humans are evil.

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Kevin, aka @Nomentionofkev Reply:

We can agree to disagree about exactly how bad the script and acting may or may not be. You have your opinion, I have mine.

What I do not fail to understand is the planet has a history and the original explorers would not have based their decision for the name of the planet on the future occurrences we witnessed in the film. They would have found a beautiful planet inimicable to human life that contained great possibilities and hope for the future.

Thus, Pandora.

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Fernando Fonseca Reply:

Well let’s agree to disagree then :-)
If the script was more solid, a explanation would´ve been given regarding the origin of the name of a major character in the movie and there would be no speculation at all ;-)

Kevin, aka @Nomentionofkev Reply:

Speculation? Maybe, but that is some pretty solid reasoning. Other than we are not told specifically these details, there is no rebuttal possible.

Glad you agree! : )

Donna

December 20th, 2009

First off, Pandora isn’t even mentioned in Homer’s Iliad by name – just the two jars, which at best only alludes to Pandora. As for calling the planet Pandora, well, it fits if you think of it as the humans coming to release their “evil” onto this planet.

Now, as for the “light-sensitivity”, I’m not sure where you even got that from. I never thought for one second she was sensitive to the light. I think she extinguished the light because the danger the fire could cause to the forest (think forest fires). As for the yellow eye color, cats have yellow eyes and they’re not sun-sensitive, that I know of.

The cigarettes would come from the same place their clothes, weapons, ammunition, etc., comes from… shipped in from Earth.

The one thing we do appear to agree on is that it is a visually beautiful movie.

You weren’t crazy about the movie – and you are entitled to your opinion. I on the other hand, loved “Avatar” – and that’s just my opinion. :-)

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Fernando Fonseca Reply:

Donna, Pandora is referred to in Homer’s Iliad and I will be more than happy to discuss it with you. My Twitter handle is right there if you want to.

Furthermore Pandora is not evil as a planet, humans are evil , as I wrote above.

Cats’ eyes are sensitive to sunlight and can see in the dark much better than humans do.

You forget to point to the fact that in the movie it is stated that all vegetation, ALL vegetation, had vanished from planet Earth. As far as I know it is impossible to produce something when you have no raw materials to produce it with.

I am totally crazy about the visual achievements on this movie and the sound design blew me away. But, and this is a big BUT, as a movie it doesn’t convince me.

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Donna Reply:

I also referred to humans as evil. The planet Pandora, which as far as I know was named by “humans”. The planet was more or less a Utopia that humans wanted to destroy for greedy reasons.

I don’t remember Pandora being mentioned in Homer’s Iliad… a reference to the two jars but not Pandora directly. I may very well be mistaken though.

Thanks for reminding me about the vegetation issue on Earth. However, I’m sure there are plenty more planets besides just Earth and Pandora… so tobacco could have just as easily been grown on some other planet where vegetation has not vanished… just a thought.

It is also common for people with light-sensitivity to be given yellow tinted contacts. The “yellow” filters out brightness (I think). Cats can see better at night better than humans because of the shape of their pupils in darkness, not their eye color.

I’m not trying to argue with you… I just didn’t see as many plot holes as you did. And I think it’s a wonderful world when we can all have differing opinions.

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Fernando Fonseca Reply:

Donna, as in the comment above to speculate if there are more planets or not is in itself a plot hole. The fact is that no information is given and almost everything is left for the viewer to try and put together.

I am also not trying to argue with anyone but I would ask you to Google the facts about cat’s eyes and light sensitivity issues :-)

jgregc Reply:

“Donna, Pandora is referred to in Homer’s Iliad and I will be more than happy to discuss it with you”

You REALLY need to get your facts straight. From the Iliad:

“The immortals know no care, yet the lot they spin for man is full of sorrow; on the floor of Zeus’ palace there stand two urns, the one filled with evil gifts, and the other with good ones. He for whom Zeus the lord of thunder mixes the gifts he sends, will meet now with good and now with evil fortune; but he to whom Zeus sends none but evil gifts will be pointed at by the finger of scorn, the hand of famine will pursue him to the ends of the world, and he will go up and down the face of the earth, respected neither by gods nor men”

Note the two jars, and not Pandora by name. Which is exactly as the previous poster had said.

Next:

” if there are more planets or not is in itself a plot hole”

It would take a rather dim *reviewer* to assume that this is the only planet with vegetation. It should be an assumption made, not something that has to be explained. ESPECIALLY if you try to state the lack of a cigarette vegetation is a plot hole and THEN the ideal that there are many places that could have suitable crops for a cigarette filler (not even saying that it was tobacco) is a plot hole as well. You are grasping at straws.

Next:

“I would ask you to Google the facts about cat’s eyes and light sensitivity issue”

Even a grade schooler knows that the reason a cat’s eyes are slitted is for better light sensitivity (or the lack thereof). The slit allows it to close off as much as is needed, or to open wide, exposing a large collection area for better seeing in the dark.

As far as the color yellow, it would serve to block MORE of the yellow sun, not make it more sensitive. Yellow reflects yellow, just as a red filter blocks red and lets you read the secret message message hidden in a red background.

You are more than welcome to have your own shallow opinion, but please don’t confuse a movie review by throwing in a lack of basic understanding.

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Fernando Fonseca Reply:

Greg, your offensive tone should be reason enough not to reply to you but, since its Christmas Season I will overlook that and give you the benefit of the doubt. I will blame it on the pre-Christmas shopping frenzy.

As you, I can also make a copy paste from Wikipedia but I have read Homer’s Iliad and have interpreted it so I know very well where I am coming from.

Again, this post is my opinion and the fact is that none of the comments so far have disagreed with the fact that the plot is weak, to say the least.

Regarding light sensitivity we can go and start a discussion about nanometers and wave lengths and what have you. The fact IS that what you see in the movie is a character that protects her eyes from the strong light and when that light is put off the main male character realizes he can see without the fire torch he lit up BEFORE he is attacked.

The lack of vegetation back on Earth is a plot hole not only for the cigarettes but also for the book that Sigourney Weaver’s character has just published. But it doesn’t stop here and if you Google it you will find a myriad of plot holes on this movie that I decided to keep out of this review.

As a science fiction aficionado I like things to make sense and yes I am one of those that always complain when you listen to explosions on a space fight.

jgregc Reply:

1. Your tone, insisting that someone google cat facts and ignoring the point that the name Pandora was not in the Iliad, was offensive. You receive what you give.

2. I do not use Wikipedia. I actually have the classics in open digital form. May I suggest that you download a few and stop googling every time?

3. I am surprised that you use the words “nanometers”, yet fail to understand the simple interaction of like colors. Also, please understand that the characters evolved under a sun, that they will NOT be as you describe? The flame was hot and bright in the night, get over it.

4. Again with the lack of vegetation, yet everyone does eat… Even something as simple as hydroponics would explain this, but you fail to comprehend this.

5. ” if you Google it you will find a myriad of plot holes on this movie” – At last, we now know your process for writing a review.

This is no doubt especially true when you decide to do a traffic seeking negative review from the start and hope to find some (apparently weak) supporting evidence.

Still, you *seem* like a reasonable person, if not a bit confused about physical facts. if you can find a way to write your own opinion and not those you simply google for, it might make for a decent review.

Fernando Fonseca Reply:

Greg, just to put a period on this discussion that will take none of us nowhere: My method to review anything is to go and see it, listen to it, subscribe to a service, test it and take my own conclusions out of my own pocket. This is not about seeking traffic this is about what I saw and what I think about what I saw. To put my review methods in question is dishonest to say the least and I will not admit that from you or anyone else. Especially from someone that does not identify himself/herself properly.
Merry Christmas!

jgregc Reply:

I want so badly to address your latest round of insults (ironically, “dishonest” and, by inference, “coward”), but the ammunition you provide is too easy to possibly do lasting damage, and I do not wish that on anyone.

Instead, I look forward to your next review. Anyone that will give as they receive earns a little respect from me.

Happy Holidays!

Clement Yeung

December 20th, 2009

I loved this movie! It wasn’t the most intellectual but it was certainly thought-provoking in my opinion.

The amount of work that has been delivered in this relatively SHORT package is enough for me to insist that people go to see it.

I even went as far as to tweet that it was the best movie that I had seen… that I wasn’t sure if it was really true, but that at the moment of leaving the theatre it’s what I truly believed – and that right there, is magical.

It’s magical because I haven’t felt that since I was a child. I think that we can all agree that movies during the last couple of decades have lost their flair – more focused on the technology that presents the movie and the amount of deaths and explosions that happen throughout. The first Matrix was one exception, as is Avatar.

It is also a very spiritual work which carries a very powerful message with it – if we keep externalizing our thoughts feelings and neglect our true selves (that which we have once all the material things have been taken away) ultimately we will destroy ourselves, the life that shares this planet with us and the planet itself.

Avatar draws a very real balance between the storyline and the action.

It appeals to all generations and therefore some adults may feel left out – that it had missed some things that perhaps it should have elaborated upon.

It had to do this in order to be commercially viable. The movie was one of the most expensive of all time.

James Cameron is a true cinematic, story-telling genius for all generations and this movie is a masterpiece through my eyes.

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Kevin, aka @Nomentionofkev Reply:

Well said sir, well said.

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Jeremy Bernatchez Reply:

Haven’t seen it yet myself, but found this link on twitter.

But Clement, YOUR comment is the kind of review I like to hear :) A very true and personal experience of how the movie made you feel, and probably a better understanding than most of what the movie is about. I also very much agree that there is a general lack of… well, SOMETHING, that has made me less and less enthused at going to movies.

To finally have a movie that may capture that cinematic experience that many of us have been longing for is a great thing.

I’ll admit, previous to its release I was on the bandwagon that it would likely be crap, since it was mainly being touted as a flagship of a new era in the tech of film-making. And the first trailer did make it seem a bit cheesy. But I’ve been hearing some great personal experiences of the movie from friends, that’s definitely convinced me that when I go see it, I’ll go into it with a different mindset.

I think these days it’s too damn easy to be able to pick apart movies as Fernando has this one, because a lot of them generally DO suck. Maybe if Hollywood stopped churning out so much crap, then we’d be more willing to sit back and actually enjoy movies, rather than find ease at being able to pick them apart. I’m willing to bet that if there was an overall higher quality of movies rather than quantity, the view of movies in general would differ, and Fernando may have written a different review :)

(not to say there aren’t good movies out there of course, but their numbers pale in comparison to the amount of utter garbage)

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spyvspyaeon

December 20th, 2009

Fernando Fonseca I guess u should release a lil bit your mind. For sure if someday even on our imaginary mind, we find any ET life, that would be beyond our comprehension. well there isn’t perfect script as there isn’t any perfect human, so what kinda argument would u use? I’ve posted before a youtube video that James explain how they research their sources to take some “conclusions” on the movie, to build up this complex universe called “Pandora” (yeah I know u don’t like the name) but it isn’t just the name. I understand you in some parts, but I understand either the producer (don’t have enough time and more money to explain all).

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Daniel

December 20th, 2009

Yeah, if I see one more person tell me that I should sit through an almost-three-hour movie because it’s “visually stunning”, I’m going to throttle them. If you were bored after a half hour, I can’t imagine why you would *not* warn everyone to stay away from this clunker.

I love science fiction, and I love movies, but as soon as I saw the blue CGI smurf-cat-people pop up in this trailer, and soon determined that it was yet another white guilt fantasy with alien “noble savages”, a.k.a. another “Dances with Wolves” in space, I was pretty sure this was going to be a giant pile of crap that no one should see. But, people love to suck James Cameron’s dick, and he has wasted millions of millions of dollars and has a studio that has given us a non-stop multimedia blitz to shove this monstrosity down our throats.

All the critics – and this is directed at the mainstream ones, not you, Fernando – that admit the story is crap but still tell us that we should go see this because it’s “visually stunning” and “revolutionary” are under suspicion from me. I believe they’ve all been bought off to tell us to go see a movie they know is terrible. Maybe I’ll bother to rent it in a couple of years once it’s not on the “new releases” shelf anymore. Until then, I’ll just laugh at all the chuckleheads who just had to go see it and then try to convince themselves it didn’t suck.

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siggy

December 21st, 2009

fascinating discussion peeps … just wanted to say that my interpretation of why she put out the flaming torch was nothing to do with light sensitivity, but because when she did so, he could then “see” what was around him. one of the central themes of this movie is the ability to “see” … others and the environment they are part of. What happened when the torch light went out?

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giedrius

December 21st, 2009

The facts that people still grow plans for their consumption but they are extinct in the wilderness do not contradict each other.
There is nowhere told that tobacco can’t be grown hydroponically.
Part of the problem for script is lack of universe description. Star trek, star wars got years to reveal universe. However, if you would watch pilot of first series, you would see that some things contradict the star trek universe we know now. For example, Mr Spok shows far more emotions. Avatars do not have enough time to reveal whole universe to us, thus we can not assume that the rest of universe is something we know from other movies.

I liked the Avatars, though not due the script. Have you liked Jurassic park, Lord of the Rings, etc for script? They were remakes of much better books, and there are lots of holes in the scripts. However, what is lost due to script is given back through visual experience which is not achieved by many other directors.
And yes, there are parallels with native americans, and the falling tree scene reminds of 09/11 and so on.
I am not saying that one should love Cameron. Each director appeals for different audience. However, I know people who do not like SF, and liked Avatars anyways.

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Kishore Mylavarapu

December 21st, 2009

I think it is a good review.I also has the same thoughts in my mind.
Visual effects are not enough,a good story with a great screenplay and script makes you attention to the movie,,and think of you about the story and makes you some suspense,what will happen in the next scene.
Avatar movie lost that.The twists are predictable.But we should appreciate the Visual Effects…

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Kimba Green

December 21st, 2009

When I saw the trailer for the 1st time I figured out the plot so I am with you on that. I want to see it to experience it. Now at least I will go in not expecting an amazing story line and just enjoy the experience of the technology.

Thank you for a great “well rounded” review! I love reading a “real opinion”!

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Mike Wilkerson

December 21st, 2009

Greetings:

Your not being pleased with this offering is surely not reason to “hope for another 12 years before Cameron makes another movie.” His previous offerings have not only been financial and critical hits, but have helped to form a lot of lexicon in people’s lives.

I don’t disagree that the story needed some help, but don’t wish that a creative filmmaker like Cameron will just “go away.”

That you claim he “can’t tell a story” is also equally as ludicrous. “TERMINATOR”, “ALIENS”, “TERMINATOR 2″, “STRANGE DAYS”, “THE ABYSS”, “TRUE LIES”, “TITANIC” — all of these are writing credits that you’re clearly overlooking.

Again, Avatar was this most transparent writing effort to be sure. The majority of your review talks about the stunning visuals and clearly that’s what this movie was for – to showcase and prove that 3D tech, capture techniques and satisfaction can be had (all thanks to devices and techniques developed by him as well).

When you take into account the general offerings and collection of success, please temper your call to sabbatical for James Cameron.

To do so would be a total waste of creative resources.

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Fernando Fonseca Reply:

Mike, thank you for your input.
With every comment on this post I get more and more amazed by the fact that it seems impossible to have a clear opinion about something without raising some kind of fundamentalism. I don’t think I need to “temper” anything: James Cameron, in my opinion (I stress in my opinion) is neither a good director OR a good writer.

I live in Europe where I am exposed to more movies than just those that come out from Hollywood and maybe that has shaped my taste: none of the movies you mention are on my top 500 movies but that is not the point, I think.

The point is that all of us are entitled to have an opinion and everyone should respect it since I’m not offending anyone because of the fact that they like “Avatar”.

The fact that I went to see it and actually stayed in the movie theater until it was finished says a lot, I think.

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Doubledown Tandino Reply:

Were you actually even watching the movie? or were you just listening to the voice in your head throughout the film, so you would have something to write about when you got home to blog about it?

It seems like you may have gone in with a filtered mind, already ready with your opinion, and as the movie progressed, you wanted to be right, and kept telling yourself in your mind that you were.

Next time you go see a movie… just go watch the movie, formulate what you think after you’re leaving the theater. That way, you can actually watch the movie presented in front of you. JMHO

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Fernando Fonseca Reply:

Read my answer above. I am following Susan’s advice and I am not going to feed any more trolls. As I said, enjoy your Christmas.

Doubledown Tandino

December 23rd, 2009

The fact that YOU think that people having an intelligent debate, and countering your points with smart, thought out comments is considered trolling… well that totally just discredits you as a movie reviewer and blogger in the first place.

Happy trails.

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Lalita Raman

December 24th, 2009

I think there is more to the movie than meets the eye. I thought the human nature of destroying nature is conveyed well. The movie shows how forests help usbut we use the forests for our own selfish purpose rather than to protect nature n environment. We destroy even those who help us is conveyed well and subtly. Diplomacy used to convey a strong message is the best part of the movie

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Diana Adams

December 24th, 2009

Wow, Fernando, you created quite a buzz with this article. I finally saw Avatar today, in 3D, and I thought it was great, but only from a creative visual standpoint.

I love colorful, creative images that pop, and from that perspective, it delivered. It’s true, the plot was lacking, but I didn’t really care about that when I watching it.

But, after all, I’m the girl that loves to play counter-strike and watch the movie Anaconda… so what does that tell you? LOL

Either way, kudos to you for creating such a great conversation. You are awesome!

Diana

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Jerlyn

December 25th, 2009

Actually I’m not entirely surprised that you wrote such a negative review on Avatar. However you were right it’s visually stunning and should be seen for the technology behind it. I wasn’t bored and I didn’t even know the movie was 3 hours long (until I checked the time on my phone while leaving the theater).

The thing is, just like every Cameron movie: He makes strong female roles and probably I wouldn’t expect you to understand that this wasn’t about Pandora – or about cigarettes. I wouldn’t expect you to realize it wasn’t about the military either. It was about the beautiful Na’vi and Jake’s adaptation to their culture. It was also about Neytiri role and how Jake had to choose between humans or Na’vi. I doubt anyone needed the name of the planet to be any different from what it was… I personally didn’t care about the name being Greek (how much of the population watching this movie would care if it was) since Na’vis, their culture or language doesn’t even exist.

I thought the 500 million, or whatever was spent, wasn’t spent in vain because now other Hollywood films will realize that this technology is out there and change how certain special effects are used in movies from now on.

Well, hopefully this perspective is clear to you and hopefully this review wasn’t simply negative to boost comments :-) .

Cheers!

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keif

December 26th, 2009

Will I watch this? Yup. Will I think it’s some “amazing masterpiece of cinema?” No more than when people talked about how Kill Bill, Star Wars I-III, the new Star Trek, etc. etc. would be a “revolution in film making” in their own regards (I’m paraphrasing here).

Does it look cool? Yes. Does it sound/look original? No. The effects may be incredible, but come on – visuals do not make the movie. It’s one part of the whole.

Rather than argue about the movie as a whole – I’d say everyone shut up, let’s meet up in five years and see if anyone says “that movie Avatar changed the game.”

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Thomas Ho

December 26th, 2009

Here’s another critical review of Avatar:

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kline/091225

BUT for somewhat different reasons.

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Tim Baran

December 26th, 2009

Fernando, as I read your review, strong feelings of resistance to what you were saying emerged. But as I read the comments, that emotion was tempered by the lack of civility of s few when expressing an opposing viewpoint, ironically confirming the movie’s “evil” human.

I view 3-D glasses (and hand-held camera technique) as gimmicks that a movie-maker uses to cover up a bad move, certainly one lacking in drama that is the human condition. And, I’m not a sci-fi fan and prefer my movies under 2 hours.

But I was riveted by this movie from the first minute, engrossed and affected, despite myself, not only by the sensual imagery and lighting but by the human drama (cliched? Biased? Hell yes) that unfolded.

I read an article discussing the hidden messages in the movie. Hidden? I had to chuckle. There were many message, every one of them quite overt, some progressive, others somewhat problematic, but I chose not to even consider them DURING the movie or else I would have cheated myself of the immediate pleasure.

So, with these caveats, I appreciate your terrific review, but if I held every movie (mostly American) to those standards, I’d stop going out. :)

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Fernandomateus Fonseca

December 26th, 2009

Once more, and this time I will try to make this as clear as possible: This is my opinion and it didn’t take into account if it was going to get comments or not.
Obviously you don’t know me well enough or you would know that I have strong opinions about things and I’m not afraid to express them.
This movie, as a movie, is terrible and as a technical achievement is something amazing, perfect to be used on a National Geographic documentary.
And if you want to talk about strong female characters watch “The Piano” and characters with dualities please watch “Blade Runner” or “Happiness”.
And yes, I’m only naming american movies because. If you have the time check any movie by Pedro Almodovar and you will see what a strong female character is.
By the way 230 million were spent to do this movie. The much needed marketing and promotion costs, to make people go and see it add 270 million to it… I guess the numbers say all there is to say.
Enjoy the holiday season!

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Fernando Fonseca Reply:

And I apologise for the typos and some incongruence on the comments. Using my mobile phone to post and a french red wine from 1996 as been keeping me company since lunch time while watching some movie classics ;-)

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Joseph Reply:

Don’t you think you could’ve just said this once and let it go instead of filling up your comments with your counter-counter-counter arguments?

Trying to read others’ viewpoints on your review was a total chore because you couldn’t just let people disagree with you.

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Fernando Fonseca Reply:

I could, but I didn’t and I won’t. I am not going to let some people accuse me of things that are not true and just let them get away with it.

Jackie

December 26th, 2009

Hi Fernando, I Love getting in my car….heading to a movie theatre, sometimes spontaneously picking out a movie. The popcorn (buttered) the soda (caffeine)I try to get to the theatre early so I can grab the seat I am comfortable in….a good seat is important…lol

I loooove the biggest movie screen possible…yahoo on that one. I get all cozy in my seat and start munching on the popcorn, my teen son and his friends usually sit away from me or go to see another movie…I prefer to watch alone, sometimes I get into conversations with people next to me, before movie starts.

AVATAR
Hearing that the script was not as good as the visual effects….I was prepared to enjoy the visual effects, and I did. Yep….STUNNING, OUTSTANDING visually.

BUT….the script was lazy…and moments sounded like teenagers talking to eachother. Script was not smooth and powerful and flowing like the visual.

I enjoyed it anyway! The claps from the audience at end of movie…said to me….WE HAD FUN!!!! We did.

Thanks….aka/citymostar…twitter

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_mark

January 4th, 2010

Avatar was a solid flick. IMO.

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Dragon Blogger

January 6th, 2010

I agree with several comments here that the reviewer is missing many points in the film, the Na’Vi aren’t hurt by fire, they despise it because of what it can do to vegetation which they are connected to. They also indicated that Earth had little plant and jungles left, yet the marine did time in a jungle environment back on Earth. Also, we all know that you can synthetically manufacture just about anything, a future would have easily been able to synthetically manufacture tobacco, if it is even tobacco (the fact that it is called a cigarette and similar shape doesn’t mean it was the same tobacco type cigarette)

The story was not truly original, it was seen in Dances with Wolves, The Last Samurai and others, but it was just done much better in so many ways. Of course there are some unexplained things, but this is because he had to fit all new concepts and a whole world into one movie. Star Trek started as a TV show and people had no clue what the universe was like, the material, books and explanation and details of the universe came after. The same holds true of Star Wars.

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Fernando Fonseca Reply:

Dragon, I’m not missing anything. It’s my opinion, ok? Is this so hard to understand? You see it your way I see it my way and I even agree with you: Avatar is nothing but a Pocahontas / Dance with Wolves set in space: its poor and not original.

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MIKESTAR

January 7th, 2010

Great review. I watched this movie on DVD, so had the benefit of missing all of the special 3d effects, and may I tell you, what a comprehensive bore fest. This film (must) rely so heavily on special effects, that to watch it on a normal television, without falling asleep/vomiting/gouging your own eyes out with a fork – is an amazing feat of tolerance. If they did spend so much money on this ‘film’, why didn’t they buy a story?
If you disagree with this, please try watching the entire thing on t.v, and you will know what I am talking about.
I wish I had more arms so I could give it four thumbs down. Worst movie since Titanic.

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June

January 12th, 2010

Great thread. Having watched European and other non-Hollywood films, I can understand where the reviewer is coming from. After all, Hollywood cinema is only one style of movie-making. I agree Avatar’s plot is very formulaic. I’ve watched a lot of Japanese anime and read a lot of science fiction, so the story doesn’t really impress me as groundbreaking or original.

But yes, I’d still watch Avatar and try to appreciate it for what it is — a Hollywood movie. Cheers. :)

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@hannibal666

February 2nd, 2010

The story and message are simple. And direct. It reaches more people this way – even if the depth was just a puddle stomp for both pseudo intellectuals and intellectuals.

The visual experience was engaging and sometimes, immersive.

I want more. Ideally, with a story that can do all things: touch the hearts of a global audience, shake the ivory towers and op-ed soap boxes, and inspire us with the beauty and wonder of another world.

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